I believe in freedom. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and all of the other freedoms guaranteed to American citizens. I served in the Army to defend this country and our freedom.

So, as much as I hate to, I guess I have to agree on an intellectual level that Muslims have the right to build a mosque near New York’s Ground Zero, just as the Baptists or Catholics have the right to build a house of worship wherever they want to. As much as we may want to, we cannot deny to one group what we would allow another to do. That goes against the very tenets our nation was founded upon.

However, I think it’s a despicable idea. I think it is  a slap in the face to every American.

Ever since the September 11th attacks, we have heard that the animals who did those terrible deeds are not representative of the millions of other Muslims in the world. And I believe that is true. Just as true as is the fact that religious zealots who kill doctors who perform abortions, or picket the funerals of American soldiers killed in action crying “Fags Must Die” are not representative of the millions of Christians in the world. 

However, just because somebody has a right does not mean that they have to exercise that right. I think the people who want to build this mosque, the “good” Muslims who want the American public to be sensitive to the fact that they had no part in the terrorist attacks of September 11th, are showing a terrible amount of insensitivity to the rest of us.

Isn’t religion, any religion, supposed to be based upon love and acceptance? The Muslims in New York want us to accept them as equals, but they are callously ignoring the feelings of millions of Americans who consider that hallowed ground. How religious and loving is that?

It’s not about their right to build a mosque where they want to. It’s about decency and respect. Neither of which the Muslims who want to build this mosque are exhibiting. And yet, they want respect and acceptance from us.

Neo-Nazis have a right to march down public streets, even in front of Jewish synagogues, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t make the rest of us a little bit sick to our stomachs. The idea of a mosque at Ground Zero is just as sickening to a lot of us.

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30 Comments on Ground Zero Mosque

  1. Right on the money Nick! Denying the freedoms that we preach and fought for is not the way to show the rest of the world what our values are. As you said, it is their insensitivity, not ours, so let’s not lower ourselves to their level.

    And, the comparison of our freedoms to the lack of freedoms in Saudi Arabia as Newt Gingrich has done is a sure way to convince others that our “values” only apply when they suit us.

    There are way too many people in this country who seem to think that freedom is all well and good as long as the people exercising those freedoms agree with them!

  2. Barbara says:

    Hear, Hear! I couldn’t agree more. You’ve put it very well, Nick.

  3. Steve says:

    Well said, Nick.
    Religions should teach love and acceptance. Most only pretend.

  4. MichaelG says:

    On most other days, you think people are too easily offended. Too bad you can’t stick to your principles here.

    I think people still haven’t decided how to think about 9/11. We can’t deal with the fact that we couldn’t have prevented it and don’t have a way to prevent another attack now. You can’t watch everything and everyone.

    I also think there’s a lot of cowardice and self-doubt at work here. We don’t have any confidence in the strength of our own values and faith. We get upset over something trivial like this because we’re afraid it means we are weak.

    If we wanted something really American at the site, we’d put in a McDonalds, which sold special happy meals with plastic airplanes and cartoon bin Laden figures. In other words, we’d poke them in the eye and laugh.

  5. Connie Braidh says:

    The word for their actions is insensitive.

    If Muslims wish us to believe that their religion is not about hate and killing of all infidels, then perhaps a gesture right now of NOT building the mosque near ground might go a long way to heal relationships with others in the US.

    Their actions speak for their thinking.

  6. harry bellerby says:

    When will we learn thet religion and politics are the same for Mulims. They hate us for what we believe and what we stand for.It will not change in our lifetime.
    c u on the road

  7. Tom says:

    This disagreement has nothing to do with freedom of speech or religion. In todays America you can pray to anything or anyone you wish. Name one area of our lives that has not been told that all share an equal place for their rights…. to speak or practice their faith or none will be permitted to speak in fear of appearing unfair. We bend over backwards to be seen as open and caring to all the faiths of Americas residents. Its the law.
    This is a case of honor and respect, plain and simple. Those who would use it for any personnal gain or to promte an agenda are seen what they are. Its impossible to hide the truth forever, never has been ..never will. Time is the only factor that affects when it happens.

  8. There faith is not a religion! I feel it is a politcal movement or sometine close to it.

  9. Pam says:

    Here’s an interesting factoid about the area where this Mosque is to be built. It’s a couple of blocks from Ground Zero in an area rife with porn shops, liquors stores, bars, strip clubs and 17 salons where a woman can get her “lady parts” groomed. Of course, they’re patriotic porn shops which proudly display the American flag amongst the lingerie and sex toys. Hallowed ground, indeed.

    I see this as just the latest outrage “du jour.” My favorite quote on this subject was from a guy who lives in that area who said he was against the mosque but wished they would build some better bars and restaurants around there. Sometimes, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

    -Bad Pam

  10. Dave B. says:

    We should not allow them to build if it is not what we think is correct. We should burn all books that write about the Muslim religion. We should make them wear emblems on their clothes that show they are Muslim. Later we may want to put them in camps so they don’t bring down our society. { I think you get my point } Keep America proud for what it stands for, freedom.

  11. Kevin says:

    I have not read any of the details on this choice of location.

    My initial reaction agreed that a show of sensitivity and compassion on the parts of the Muslim society would preclude building on this spot. Then I moved ahead and wondered about the possibility that it is a display of sensitivity and compassion on the part of the Muslim community.

    If any other religion wanted to build a place to worship, a place of quietude and solace, would we deny its construction or berate that religion? Or would we open our arms and say thanks for offering a place to reflect and pray.

    9/11 was not an action of the Muslim community, it was the action of a bunch of crazy fanatics hiding behind the guise of Muslim.

    Are all churchgoers bigots because a few were in the KKK?

    What if the motivation of the true Muslim community is to show us that they too abhore what happened and want to provide a place of worship and quietude near the location of such destruction and violence? Maybe they are trying to build a bridge.

  12. concerned in texas says:

    Unfortunately, it will be a very long time before this contentious issue goes away. This building will probably be defaced or worse by those who are less tolerant.

    But there is a business opportunity here to sell cheap made in China blinders (like the leather ones we use here in Texas on our horses) so those delicate female Muslim eyes don’t have to look at the porno shops nor catch their males doing just that.

  13. The stronger our political and religious beliefs, the harder it becomes to turn the other cheek.

  14. On the other hand, why don’t we ask several other religions to build places of worship – churches, synagogues, reading rooms, temples, whatever, in the same area — buying up and destroying the bars and liquor stores and porn shops! Then Ground Zero WOULD be a place to pray and relfect. Maybe some major foundation could assist with the project!

  15. Kenneth says:

    I do not think this would be an issue if it were a baptist who blew up a building, Oh wait Timothy James McVeigh.
    I don’t think people would blindly follow a religious leader to their death, Oh wait Jim Jones.
    I don’t think a country would massacre a people because of their religion, Oh wait Hitler.
    The building that maybe built is not the problem.
    What we believe about a religious group is the problem.
    Just like some still believe everyone in the south are racist.
    Muslim’s are not demons nor are baptist, christian, Germans or southerns. But there are bad people in each and every group you may wish to name.

  16. Deb says:

    I’m curious about who had ownership of the site in the first place who sold it to them for the purposes of their $200 million dollar Muslim “Community Center” of which the mosque is just a part. Why would they want to build it amongst all the porn shops etc. anyway when it is that very thing that they abhor? To force them out and take over many more buildings and blocks?
    When I saw Muslims cheering in the street after 9/11, it convinced me that they have an ulterior motive. To spread Islam to the world, no matter what. Sort of like George Bush forcing democracy on those who have not asked to be changed, converted, or enlightened.
    Bad Nick’s blog about the judge who allowed a Muslim man to rape his wife is just the beginning. Islam’s treatment of women is abhorrent. That alone should offend people.
    To those who think their motive is to “heal” and extend the olive branch, wake up. Their motive is dominance.
    I usually don’t get this terribly worked up but something here does not feel right. And it’s the younger generations who will be most effected by this takeover. I see a religious war in their future. Thank God I’ll be dead.

  17. Marnin says:

    I hope Dave B. is saying this with tongue in cheek, because it sounds awfully like Nazi Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s.

  18. Dave B. says:

    Marnin, you are correct. I was playing the devil’s advocate to make a point. We are a free country and once we go down that road for what ever reason, we hurt our own selves.

  19. Marnin says:

    Dave, sll Americans should feel the way you and I do.

  20. Larry says:

    I agree, Nick, we can never allow the State (government) to tell any religion where or where not to build. For the State to do so violates the separation of churh and State.

    Too, I think it is in terrible taste for the Muslims to want to build so near Ground Zero. Yet, we must realize all Taliban are Musilums, but not all Musilums are Taliban.

    And then you recall the eight Westerners recently killed in Afghanistan by the Taliban because they had a Christian Bible. And here we are saying Musilums can build in a Christian nation but Christianity cannot be displayed or preached in a Musilum nation.

    Where to turn? What to do?

    Matthew 5: 38 – 40

  21. Allan says:

    I have to agree with you on this Nick. I do not think these people should be denied building for religious reasons. I do think it is despicable and insensitive. Although mainline Islamic followers in the USA said that these Muslim terrorists were not representative of their religion, they did nothing to condemn their actions. Christians all over the USA have condemned actions of wacos that have killed abortion doctors and picketed funerals of servicemen that have died serving our country. Muslims in the USA that want to build bridges with fellow Americans should publicly condemn the actions of these terrorists of 9/11 and all terrorists and stress that their actions will not be rewarded in the afterlife. They would be wise to rethink their decision to build a mosque in this location even though the some city officials have accepted the plan. Many people will think they have other motives.

  22. Fred Wishnie says:

    Very well said Nick!

  23. Bill Joyce says:

    Allan: You said Muslims in the US did not condemn the actions of 9/11 and that is false. There were many who condemned those who did the crime. I worked for a large company at the time with employees from all over the world and the Muslim employees were very outspoken about their shock and grief over 9/11 and how it was not right and not true to Islam.

  24. Carey McConnell says:

    The constitution says “Freedom OF religion???” Dang, I thought it said “Freedom FROM religion.” Guess I’ll have to move to France or something.

  25. Roger Marble says:

    It is really too bad that what passes for “Political Discourse” these days is so bereft of facts that it distorts the message and prevents much that can be called an exchange of ideas.

    There is no such thing as a “Mosque at Ground Zero”. A mosque by definition is a place of worship and there are rules preventing other activates there. The proposed building a couple blocks away at 45 Park Place, is a community center that includes a basketball court and culinary center. While the top floors do contain open space for Muslims to pray it is not a Mosque. You might ask those calling it such, if they even know what “Mosque” means.

    If having a community center that cannot even be seen from the location of the World Trade Center property is so offensive to some, why is it acceptable to have two churches across the street from Ground Zero? One is Catholic. Some of us are old enough to remember the anti-Catholic concerns about having a Catholic president not that long ago.

    If people of the Muslim faith are so abhorrent to the sensibilities of Americans why did we send over 4,400 Americans to their death and accept Billions of dollars of debt to bring “freedom” to Iraq and its millions of Muslims? Just what kind of freedoms are we supporting and why don’t we want those now free Muslims here in America?

    RE Violence: One has to wonder why the pipe bombing in Florida on May 10 of a Mosque didn’t make the news. It is only because of the incompetence of the anti-Muslim extremist (might he be a Christian?) who placed the bomb in the wrong place, that the 160+ people at prayer didn’t die, or could it be that anti-Muslim bombings are something we want to think just can’t happen in America?

    To those who still believe that despite the fact the building at 45 Park Pl is not a Mosque and should not be allowed to be built, I would ask; What about the masjid (look it up) at 20 Warren about four blocks away? This place of worship pre-dates the World Trade Center. Where have the demonstrations against this place of worship been for the last 40 years? What terrorist training has been traced to this location?

    Could it just be that those making the most noise are simply using this in an attempt to create confusion and distrust in Americans for their own political gains?

    We demonstrate our real support of the Constitution when giving that support is most difficult. When we allow Nazis to demonstrate or when we tolerate the rants of White-Supremacy groups or when we allow people to make decisions we wish they did not but are protected by the Constitution.

    I believe in the US Constitution. I support and would defend it, unlike many of those who have sworn to do so but clearly do not. Not just the easy parts but the hard parts too. Our Constitution defines us as a country. If we no longer wish to follow it then maybe we no longer deserve to live under the freedoms and responsibilities required to defend it.

  26. Jim says:

    I say let them build it and then maybe Saudi Arabia will let us build a Catholic church in one of their sacred cities. After that church is built then they would allow the Baptists, Methodists and all the others to build too. That way any of us stupid enough to visit there could practice our faith.

    I’m not sure our GIs stationed there are allowed to have the Holy Bible in their possession. Are they allowed to worship in freedom?

  27. Walt says:

    To be politically correct we should not interfere with the plans to build the mosque. To build the Mosque by ground zero is extremely insensitive to most all Americans and they should consider the feelings of the American people. The best idea I have seen so far is the governer of NY possibly making them a great deal on an alternate site. That would flush out their intentions for building this Mosque. If they refuse a drop dead good deal, we should go with the feelings of the American people. The constitution allows for freedom of religion but there are exceptions to every rule. Time to be a little politically incorrect.

  28. Kenneth says:

    Who in their right mind would care where anyone would or could pray to god.

  29. Dale says:

    All of this dispute and the proposed building will not be a Mosque; it will be only a community center, like a YMCA.

  30. Roger Marble says:

    Sorry Walt, I have a different view of our Constitution. Unlike many today, including numerous politicians, I do not see it as a document written in the sand, to be followed when we want and to be ignored if we wish.

    If we start down that path, then what will happen if it is decided that it is better for public safety to ignore say the 2nd Amendment. I am sure that there are a great number of Americans who would take great exception to any suspension of that “right”. Some might even seek “2nd Amendment Remedies”.

    How about if we solve the perceived immigration problem by simply declaring slavery for all non-citizens found to be in the US Illegally. No need for a lengthy or costly trial. Just ignore the Constitution and declare them as non-human so they simply don’t have any rights.

    Speaking of insensitivity. I wonder how non Christians feel about the “Cross at Ground Zero” made of steel beams. How about
    Pussycat Lounge, a strip club where a photo of a nearly naked woman marks its location just two blocks from WTC, or Thunder Lingerie & peep show next door?
    It has been reported that in a walk of the streets within three blocks of Ground Zero, the Daily News counted 17 pizza shops, 18 bank branches, 11 bars, 10 shoe stores and 17 separate salons where a girl can get her lady parts groomed.

    There are 10 churches in lower Manhattan south of Canal St., three synagogues, one Buddhist community center and a Hare Krishna facility. There’s also a Muslim prayer house that, on its website, denies any connection to “any other organization trying to build anything new in the area of downtown Manhattan.”

    If we want to blame all Muslims for the acts of a few crazy extreemists what should we do about Baptists (Tim McVeigh) or the good Christians in the KKK?

    I absolutely am not casting aspersions on any religion. I am only trying to point out the problem with discriminating against one, when our Constitution protects them all.

    Remember
    “THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.

    THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

    THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.

    THEN THEY CAME for me
    and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

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